Hey, Help!

[tabaqui]

Can anybody give me a little 'Angel' info? Please?
When Buffy came back in season six, i know at one point she went to see Angel - he had found out she was back.
HOW did he find out, and what was happening in L.A. at that point? BabyConner? Cordelia Love? Darla, still? I've only seen season five of 'Angel' so i have no clue.

Please help!!!
I'd be ever, ever so grateful...

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[amejisuto.livejournal.com]

Here's a site that may help: http://www.buffy-vs-angel.com/guide_ang.shtml

I don't think they ever really said what Buffy and Angel did when they met, or that they talked about it on Angel at all really, so you may not be missing anything at all. I know they talked during Flooded which aired on 10/16/01, so if there was anything it would be during Fredless which aired 10/22/01.

Did that help ya any at all?

[tabaqui]

Thanks for the link!
and for the ep title - that helped a lot so i could go a read a transcript or two, see what was going on.
:)

[amejisuto.livejournal.com]

You're welcome! Glad I could help, that site should help you with any other Angel questions you might have.

[saifai.livejournal.com]

I don't think we ever actually heard for sure how he found out. I remember Buffy getting a call, then she left to meet him in neutral territory and came back with a bucket of chicken. I'm hard pressed to remember how it went on Angel's end of things.

As for what was going on during that season, Darla turns up pregnant. Most of the season deals with her, the prophecies concerning Connor, Wesely betraying them all to turn the child over, Connor dissapearing, him coming back all destoyer and wicked pissed off...

[tabaqui]

I looked over a transcript and yeah, it's not ever talked about, which is fine. I just needed the general lay of the land.
Thanks!

[anelith.livejournal.com]

I'm in the middle of watching my DVDs of Angel S3 so it's still fresh in my memory. The news of Buffy's resurrection arrived when Angel's crew were trying to get Fred settled into life at the Hyperion. I believe it was a phone call from Willow to Cordelia that actually gave the news, and she relayed it to Angel (the episode was Carpe Noctem).

The "meeting" between Angel and Buffy took place between that episode and Fredless. This was the "crossover" that wasn't really a crossover, since we never got to see it happen. Thanks to the series being on different networks! Anyway, in Fredless we had the *hysterically* funny scene where Cordelia and Wesley act out the Buffy/Angel love affair for the benefit of Gunn and Fred, unknowingly also witnessed by Angel, who says, "Why don't both of you bite me?" at the end. To get Cordelia's goat he refuses to ever tell her what happened at the meeting with Buffy. We don't even know exactly where it took place, just that it was somewhere not at Buffy's house or the Hyperion, since they both left their homes to go wherever it was.

As for what was happening in general with the gang in L.A., Darla is pregnant but at the exact moment of this meeting with Buffy, Angel doesn't know that. He will find out two episodes later. Cordelia's visions are really hurting her but she's not letting on to the rest of the crew just how badly. Angel and Cordelia are acting very protective and loving toward each other but are still in friend mode -- we have not moved to the horrible Cordelia/Angel love affair, truly my worst nightmare. No, the sight of Connor and Cordelia in bed together was worse... Wolfram and Hart are still trying to find some way to make Angel's life miserable but have not really found the key yet. We have seen some flashbacks involving a man named Holtz from Angel and Darla's past but won't know until a couple of episodes later just how much he still matters.

This may be way more information than you needed. Now I'm off to watch another episode from S3. I do love Angel, probably more than you do judging from the way you write him in your fics. I think he's a fantastic character, poorly written in a lot of S5. Don't judge him from that season alone. Get seasons one through 3 and watch those to get a much, *much*, MUCH better idea of how complex, interesting, and wonderful he can be. Season 2 alone... I could go on and on. Sigh.

[tabaqui]

Oooh, all very cool. So basically no Conner yet, and if i say Angel's lovin' Cordy it's wrong... Maybe leaning that way?
Hrmmmmm...k.
:)
No, actually, not too much, i like to have things be right, so this is cool.
And i don't HATE Angel, i guess i just don't like how he was written in 'Buffy', and i've only seen season five of 'Angel' and, being a Spike fan, wasn't happy about his attitude there, either.
That and most fic makes him a total jerk towards my boi.
I'm TRYING to be fair to him...but i also mostly know him only through 'Buffy', so...
Thanks so much for the info, i appreciate it!

[anelith.livejournal.com]

You could say Angel was "leaning" that way, sure. That would be very accurate. I found the whole thing to be OOC, to say the least. Here's the thing -- he fell so hard for Buffy, the whole soulmate thing, you know, and at the end of Angel S2 when she died it was still extremely traumatic for him. And then he starts falling for Cordelia, and NO ONE mentions the fact that he CAN'T be with her because of the curse! So not only does he conveniently forget Buffy, he forgets (for at least a season) that he can't have Cordy either! Also I hate that in S3 they destroyed what I loved about Cordy's character -- they made her a saint and took away her snark. Oh well, I love S3 for other reasons, mainly the character development of Wesley, who absolutely stole the season.

Back to Angel and Season 5, the problem with him in that season is that he was very one note. Grumpy. All season long. With some valid reason for being so, but still... You rarely get to see him anything but grumpy. I spent most of Season 5 reading the forums on TWOP and there was much discussion of how bad the character continuity was that year. I also hated how they wrote Spike most of the time, to be honest. I thought the writers devolved him to play the fool most episodes. And yes, Angel did treat him very badly most of the time. One of the TWOP posters (I think it was Teenes, who had very insightful posts) said that both Angel and Spike regressed to their worst and most childish aspects whenever they were around each other.


The only fun to be had that season was the fact that the writers seemed to think it was OK to crank up the HoYay! factor to the highest notch allowed on network TV. The only fanon pairings not given airtime were those with Xander, simply because Xander never appeared. But if you liked Angel/Lindsey, Angel/Wesley, or my god Angel/Spike (that one is now canon!) you were happy.

[tabaqui]

Yeah, i kinda wondered about the curse. Although - could sex ever AGAIN equal perfect happiness? It seemed like a rather stupid idea in the first place, and then - after it had happened...
Ah well.
Yeah, season five was awfully grumpy and doomy and woe-is-me.
I watched because of Spike but was terribly, TERRIBLY disappointed with what they did. You got it exactly right - they wrote him to play the fool, and that was just - wrong.
And yeah, the cavemen/astronaught argument was kinda funny, but when stuff like that just went on and on....Blah.
And, i know, i'm a Spike fan, but would Angel REALLY just dismiss what he did in Sunnydale (dying and stopping the First) and his soul so casually? So PETTILY? I mean - that was dumb.

*sigh*
Another reason i like fanfic - this stuff can be fixed!
Nice post, by the way - interesting stuff. :)
I'm trying to borrow my sis-in-law's 'Angel' dvds but she has one missing from season one and that sucks. Trying to figure out how to fix that. hehe.