Ummmmm...i have to disagree with that last, though. John won't sacrifice his sons to the demon. He's determined to find a way to kill it and come out the other side, or at least be sure Sam and Dean do. He's not quite so concerned about his own life.
He seems concerned about it inasmuch as he needs to be alive to have his revenge. I don't think he'd be content to die and leave it to Sam and Dean. They go wherever the hunt is, and I think all demons are the same, to them. Something to be hunted. I think John, however, if he'd managed to kill the yellow-eyed demon within the year or two after it killed Mary, Sam and Dean? Would never have had this life. John would've retired, or been retired before they were old enough to really understand what was going on.
And he feels that he's given his sons all they need to survive, and that they'd do okay if he was gone. But he's not *hoping* for it or anything.
See--parents are always supposed to hope all kindsa stuff for their kids. Hope that they do well, behave well, are happy, are safe. If you don't have any hope--other than revenge--you totally shouldn't be raising kids.
But then, John wouldn't trust anyone else to raise them.
I wonder . . . in this 'verse, do the Winchesters know about Sam's powers, and the other people like him? I'm thinking not, or Sam might be dead.
I have this image in my head of a Sam who's about fourteen or fifteen and a Dean and they just got in from a hunt, all three, and they're a bit bruised up and bloody and John goes to get a shower and Sam and Dean are still twitchy from adrenalin and post-fight nerves and they're snapping and snarling a little and one of 'em ends up slammed into a wall and by the time John come out of the bathroom, they're fucking like rabbits.
Yep, that sounds about right. But do feel free to flesh that out and slap a title on it :)
And he's stunned for a minute, and then he just...fades back and lets it happen because he knows the pressure they're under, the strain, and the *need* for them to be this open and this vulnerable and this *lost*, for just a minute or two. So he lets it happen and then afterward, when they can think, he tells them that society as a rule will dislike that and if they want to keep it up, they'll have to learn discretion.
Morality aside--where it usually belongs--they're never gonna meet anyone they trust enough to have children with. They're the end of the line in every sense of the phrase. They're the only family they'll ever need, and that's both good and bad.
I dunno--what gets me is that John's taken away their other choices. I think Sam + Dean = Soulmatez 4-evah, but I hate seeing them get there as a result of having every other option taken away. When they've both had their share of relationships, tested the waters and looked around . . . then come back to each other cuz that's the best choice--as opposed to the only choice. . . .
But so little about their lives in this 'verse has been about their own choices.
Also, judging from the little dust-up at Harvelle's, they didn't learn discretion too thoroughly. They just played at it to appease John, didn't really give a shit.
And that's...it. Heh. Fucking random strangers is just too dangerous.
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He seems concerned about it inasmuch as he needs to be alive to have his revenge. I don't think he'd be content to die and leave it to Sam and Dean. They go wherever the hunt is, and I think all demons are the same, to them. Something to be hunted. I think John, however, if he'd managed to kill the yellow-eyed demon within the year or two after it killed Mary, Sam and Dean? Would never have had this life. John would've retired, or been retired before they were old enough to really understand what was going on.
And he feels that he's given his sons all they need to survive, and that they'd do okay if he was gone. But he's not *hoping* for it or anything.
See--parents are always supposed to hope all kindsa stuff for their kids. Hope that they do well, behave well, are happy, are safe. If you don't have any hope--other than revenge--you totally shouldn't be raising kids.
But then, John wouldn't trust anyone else to raise them.
I wonder . . . in this 'verse, do the Winchesters know about Sam's powers, and the other people like him? I'm thinking not, or Sam might be dead.
I have this image in my head of a Sam who's about fourteen or fifteen and a Dean and they just got in from a hunt, all three, and they're a bit bruised up and bloody and John goes to get a shower and Sam and Dean are still twitchy from adrenalin and post-fight nerves and they're snapping and snarling a little and one of 'em ends up slammed into a wall and by the time John come out of the bathroom, they're fucking like rabbits.
Yep, that sounds about right. But do feel free to flesh that out and slap a title on it :)
And he's stunned for a minute, and then he just...fades back and lets it happen because he knows the pressure they're under, the strain, and the *need* for them to be this open and this vulnerable and this *lost*, for just a minute or two. So he lets it happen and then afterward, when they can think, he tells them that society as a rule will dislike that and if they want to keep it up, they'll have to learn discretion.
Morality aside--where it usually belongs--they're never gonna meet anyone they trust enough to have children with. They're the end of the line in every sense of the phrase. They're the only family they'll ever need, and that's both good and bad.
I dunno--what gets me is that John's taken away their other choices. I think Sam + Dean = Soulmatez 4-evah, but I hate seeing them get there as a result of having every other option taken away. When they've both had their share of relationships, tested the waters and looked around . . . then come back to each other cuz that's the best choice--as opposed to the only choice. . . .
But so little about their lives in this 'verse has been about their own choices.
Also, judging from the little dust-up at Harvelle's, they didn't learn discretion too thoroughly. They just played at it to appease John, didn't really give a shit.
And that's...it. Heh. Fucking random strangers is just too dangerous.
Yeah . . . even if you aren't a demon hunter :)