In my mind, John didn't engineer what goes on with his boys. Being isolated and pretty much depending on each other, natural curiousity and hormones led to stuff that, pretty much, always happens. 'Playing doctor', as it were.
That's what I'm thinking, only--that John, being canny and clever, says, "Hey, how can I turn this to my advantage? I know, I'll encourage this, and it'll keep them from forming meaningful relationships with anyone who isn't blood! Ingenious!"
Providence opens the door, and John walks through it.
But they're so turned inward - and so tuned into each other, and so suspicious of the world that the vulnerability that comes with sex was simply impossible. They only way to be there, to do that, and be safe, was to turn to their family.
That actually makes sense--crazy sense, but then they're crazy people. The logic follows. Except for the obsession itself, John's pretty logical about the way he hunts, so it just feels like when the situation presented himself, he turned it to his advantage.
It increased they're dependence on each other and him. Turned them into a completely closed unit. The Winchester line dies with them, and they all know that, so they fight harder to stay alive.
Again, logical, but at what price? Ellen had it right on the nose, there.
No, there's no participation from John. His only love is dead. But he knows, and approves in that it keeps his boys safe, and they're not exposing any weaknesses to strangers.
GAH! NO!
I didn't mean I thought John did some Wincesting of his own. Eww! ::shudders::
I just meant that he saw where Sam and Dean were headed and used it to his own advantage, like an opportunistic bastard.
That said, yeah, I guess from his pov, it'd keep them safer than trusting strangers. Hell, in this 'verse there was no Meg, and there never could be. Not that close to them.
Still, he's a hard-hearted man in this 'verse, with cold, crazy-man logic behind everything, even his love for his sons. And I don't doubt that he loves them, in his hard, crazy-man way. But I do doubt that this John would pass up his chance at getting the demon for the lives of either of his sons, nor would he give up his soul for them. It's a feeling I get. Not because he's selfish, but because vengeance will always comes first. Which means he'd have to live to carry it out. At any cost.
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That's what I'm thinking, only--that John, being canny and clever, says, "Hey, how can I turn this to my advantage? I know, I'll encourage this, and it'll keep them from forming meaningful relationships with anyone who isn't blood! Ingenious!"
Providence opens the door, and John walks through it.
But they're so turned inward - and so tuned into each other, and so suspicious of the world that the vulnerability that comes with sex was simply impossible. They only way to be there, to do that, and be safe, was to turn to their family.
That actually makes sense--crazy sense, but then they're crazy people. The logic follows. Except for the obsession itself, John's pretty logical about the way he hunts, so it just feels like when the situation presented himself, he turned it to his advantage.
It increased they're dependence on each other and him. Turned them into a completely closed unit. The Winchester line dies with them, and they all know that, so they fight harder to stay alive.
Again, logical, but at what price? Ellen had it right on the nose, there.
No, there's no participation from John. His only love is dead. But he knows, and approves in that it keeps his boys safe, and they're not exposing any weaknesses to strangers.
GAH! NO!
I didn't mean I thought John did some Wincesting of his own. Eww!
::shudders::
I just meant that he saw where Sam and Dean were headed and used it to his own advantage, like an opportunistic bastard.
That said, yeah, I guess from his pov, it'd keep them safer than trusting strangers. Hell, in this 'verse there was no Meg, and there never could be. Not that close to them.
Still, he's a hard-hearted man in this 'verse, with cold, crazy-man logic behind everything, even his love for his sons. And I don't doubt that he loves them, in his hard, crazy-man way. But I do doubt that this John would pass up his chance at getting the demon for the lives of either of his sons, nor would he give up his soul for them. It's a feeling I get. Not because he's selfish, but because vengeance will always comes first. Which means he'd have to live to carry it out. At any cost.